Religion and science go much deeper than we think

Tonight on 1

Last week on our very own science show C2H6O Science that we host live every other Thursday on our YouTube channel, we talked about religion’s role in science, or lack thereof.

Did you get the chance to see it?! (Let us know.)

Bryce, Jeff, Ron, Sharon, and I, all dug deep into what religion is to us, how we relate to it, whether or not we believe in it, and how it is affecting all of us as scientists. Even better, we talked about how it may or may not affect the world of science.

There have been plenty of scientists who also believe in religion, and there are plenty who don’t have any set of beliefs. But do science and religion contradict each other, or do they help each other out?

Well, since the topic is so controversial, we’ve all decided to make this topic a two-parter! Last week we barely scratched the surface – check it out.

We hope to see you not this week, but next week when we go even further into the topic!

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  • Xenomorpheus

    Religion has no role, or basis, in science . . . religions date back almost 6000 years to the first society, but the sciences debuted about 400 years ago. One is an early attempt to explain the universe, the latter is the process to determine how reality itself works.

    • ben3

      And science has no place in religion right? Science has done nothing to disprove anything in the Bible.

      • TruthSeekder

        Of course science has also done nothing to disprove the Harry Potter series. But then, science isn’t about disproving works of fiction, is it?

        • ben3

          Then Harry must be real correct, Nonsense. Creation is very real and it happened, Science has no proof that it didn’t. Archaeology is a science and it proving the Bible is true and accurate.

          • TruthSeekder

            Who other than you wrote that Harry must be real? All I stated was that it isn’t the function of science to disprove works of fiction. Archaeology IS a science and it has proven that some of the places mentioned in the bible actually existed, though of course it has done nothing to prove ANY of the fantastical claims made in the bible. Just as three thousand years from now people will be able to point at Harry Potter and say that some of the places mentioned in the books actually existed, but they’d have to be fools to then conclude that this means everything written in the Harry Potter books actually happened as well.

            As for creation being very real, I don’t think that there’s a single person alive who disputes that. Science certainly doesn’t. Science has a well established theory for how the universe was created and it’s called the Big Bang. Science knows how human beings came to be created in our current form and it’s known as evolution. In neither case is a creator/god required. Can science prove that a creator/god doesn’t exist? No, of course not, but you can never prove a negative. Just like you can’t prove that invisible unicorns don’t exist. In both cases it’s up to the one making the fantastic claim to provide proof for such claims

          • ben3

            Science cannot disprove anything in the Bible. It has been said it could many times but it has not. Those places found were once thought to be imaginary but they turned out to be true. I love science. I think it is a great and wonderful thing. But God knows what atoms and neutrons did before any scientist did. He created the earth and universe so He knew the earth was round and that the universe is still expounding.

          • TruthSeekder

            Who told you that it was science’s job to disprove anything in the bible? And again, just because a book references a place that turns out to be real doesn’t mean that every fantastical thing in the book is also real.

          • ben3

            That is what that show is all about. They will go on the show and make fun of religion when they have no idea what they are talking about.

          • bbarron2

            Everything in that book is fantastically true.

          • TruthSeekder

            And everything in the Harry Potter series is fantastically true as well. At least, I have as much evidence for MY silly claim as you do for yours.

          • John Gallagher

            Science isn’t trying to prove it didn’t happen.
            You just made the claim the “Creation is very real and it happened”,yet you provide no evidence and certainly no proof of such a claim.
            You have to prove magic and the supernatural realm are even real first before proving a specific being from this realm was responsible for everything.

            Archeology doesn’t prove the Bible true or accurate. It uncovers possible locations through history,with many of those places written in various texts,including the Bible,and confirms a place exists,but not proving the stories are true.
            You need to get a handle on how this works.

          • ben3

            We are here aren’t we . We didn’t evolve from a slime pit and there are no creatures walking out of the oceans now is there. We have no creatures that science can prove where they came from. No facts. You cannot say this is how the universe was made or how earth was made or how man came about. Not by science. There are too many factors science can’t explain. Theories are not proven facts. Tell me which big bang theory is correct.There can only be one but there are several. Which theory is correct about how the earth came to be. There are many of them. They cannot all be true. So the creation theory is just as valid as any big bang theory. and it makes more sense.

          • John Gallagher

            Actually science has lots of answers to those examples.
            Scientific theories are based on facts. Just stop there,because you don’t know what theory is,so please don’t embarrass yourself further on the subject.

            Creation is not a “theory”,nor is it valid. It is a belief and nothing more. There is literally no evidence that backs it up,it’s not a scientific theory,nor does it even use science. It starts with the answers and works backwards to make it fit.

            The problem with your religious beliefs is they actually explain everything,but not a single shred of evidence to back up those explanations.
            Gravity is just a theory. We have no idea what it is or how it works really. We’re still trying to figure it out.
            The Big Bang and the age of the universe have mountains of evidence and facts to back it up. That’s why it’s accepted.
            It’s not just a wild guess based on wanting to believe it. It’s where the evidence takes us.

          • ben3

            The same can be said of the big bang theory. Not a shred of evidence to back it up. Creation does have evidence because we are here. The universe and earth was formed. Man is here just as it is told in the Bible. He dominates the earth just as in the Bible. He speaks many languages just as in the Bible. The Big Bang is not just one theory as I said there are several. Why is that. Surely science should be able to agree on how the universe was made. No they don’t. Surely they can agree how man came about. No they don’t. Scientist can’t even agree among themselves how things started so why should I agree with them.

          • John Gallagher

            “The same can be said of the big bang theory. Not a shred of evidence to back it up.”

            Start with the expansion of the universe and red shift light.
            The cosmic microwave back round as well,then work your way up.
            And there’s lots more “facts” that back it up.
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            “Creation does have evidence because we are here. The universe and earth was formed.”

            That’s not evidence of anything other than the fact that we’re here,but nothing to do with how we got here.
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            “Man is here just as it is told in the Bible. He dominates the earth
            just as in the Bible. He speaks many languages just as in the Bible.”

            All those things were around long before the Bible,so the Bible just wrote about stuff that already happened. Early man was around 4 million yearts ago,we’ve been dominating the planet because of our opposable thumbs and big brains,and various races with different languages were around for at least 10,000 years before the Bible.
            That’s like me making a prediction about yesterday.
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            “The Big Bang is not just one theory as I said there are several. Why is that.”

            No,the Big Bang is one theory. There are several pieces of evidence and facts that put together make up and back up the theory,further showing you don’t even know what a theory is.
            It’s those several pieces of facts that back up a theory.
            The “theory” is not the “fact”.
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            “Surely science should be able to agree on how the universe was made. No they don’t.”

            Why should they “surely” be able to do that?
            You think scientists know everything? If they did,there wouldn’t be a need for science or scientists.
            Religious people like you already know everything,which is why you deny science,because it’s showing all the things you already know to be wrong.
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            “Surely they can agree how man came about. No they don’t.”

            Why should they “surely” be able to do that?
            We don’t know enough to explain it yet. We’re still learning and make a few thousand mistakes along the way until we get it.
            ——————–
            “Scientist can’t even agree among themselves how things started so why should I agree with them.”

            Agree with them about what? They don’t agree because nobody knows yet.
            Nobody disagrees that water boils at 212 degrees and freezes at 32 degrees. Know why? Someone was curious so they measured the temperatures,then someone else did the same and peer reviewed experiments proved it,so now EVERYBODY agrees with this scientific finding. But before that first person did it,nobody knew the answers.

            Only people like you know everything.

          • Shakespeare

            Creation DID happen, yes Ben,but there is simply no valid reason to believe that gods were necessary for creation to happen.

          • ben3

            Science has yet to disprove the creation from the Bible. It cannot. They [scientist ] can’t even agree which big bang theory is correct or which evolution theory is correct. There are several of each. They cannot be all right.

          • Shakespeare

            A) Yes, science HAS disproven the biblical creation myth, and
            B) The creation biblical creation myth was never proven in the first place, so how can something unproven be disproven?
            C) Science hasn’t disproven the Egyptian creation myth either, so by your logic you must believe that too.

          • ben3

            You haven’t answered anything. Which big bang is right. Which evolution theory is correct. Why are there so many. If science which is supposed to deal in facts can’t agree then these theories are meaningless. . Which makes the Bible Creation story just as relevant as any of them.

      • Shakespeare

        Ben, now can science disprove something that you haven’t proven to begin with?

        • ben3

          I am not asking science to prove God. I am saying there is nothing in the Bible that science cannot prove didn’t happen. They have never disproved Creation.

          • Shakespeare

            Science can prove a virgin van not have a baby. Science can prove a body, dead for a day and a half, will not resurrect. Science can prove a man can not walk on water. Science can disprove EVERYTHING in a bible. But again, none of the claims in a bible have been proven so OF COURSE it can’t be disproven. By your logic, dragons exist because they’re in Harry Potter novels and science can’t disprove them.

          • ben3

            Science cannot prove that Jesus wasn’t born of a virgin nor it cannot prove Jesus didn’t rise from the dead. Science didn’t have the capabilities back then. So your proof is lacking. I agree those do not happen normally but miracles happen every day. Those are things very easy for God but science has no answers for. I see no dragons. Harry Potter is a today novel. Rowling put down as fiction. It is fiction. The Bible is true.

          • Shakespeare

            Ben, yes, science CAN disprove all those things (quite easily). If they couldn’t, you wouldn’t need faith. The bible is not “true”, Ben. The bible is a collection of allegories, fables and myths almost entirely borrowed from the many religions before it. You need less religion, Ben, and a lot more history and science classes.

          • ben3

            You are a fool. Fools have no idea what science or the Bible can do. You haven’t proven to me anything in the Bible is false.

      • John Gallagher

        Science isn’t trying to disprove that Bible. Only paranoid Christians thinks it even cares.

        The burden of Proof is on you to prove the Bible,not the other way around. You make the claim the Bible is true,so you prove your claims.
        Nobody has to disprove anything.

        • ben3

          I am not say science is. I don’t have to prove God to any one. God proves himself every day. From sinners to knowing they need a Savior to healing the sick to miracles science cannot say how they happened. God is above science. He is the creator. Everything science uses, He created. I don’t expect a fool like you to understand John but many scientist do.

          • John Gallagher

            Prove your claims.
            You just made five claims right in a row.

            You make these claims,and then want to govern a country,and ultimately the world based on them being true,so yes,you most certainly do have to prove them.
            If Christians kept these belief to themselves where they belong,as well as Muslims in other places,nobody would care,but since they insinuate themselves into everything from politics,to science,education,medicine,etc.,then these claims need to proven.

            So can you prove magic is real or not?
            if not,stay out of everyone’s personal business.

          • ben3

            Go to any town USA and ask for people that were saved from their sins. I bet you find some. I have seen healing miracles, several of them. Cancer healed, broken bones healed in a day instead of week. Back disc healed. All these verified by doctors. They have no explanation except a miracle. Look around and look at God’s creation. It is every where.

          • John Gallagher

            None of that nonsense has ever been verified by doctors….lol Now you’re just lying.
            Seriously,why do you guys go so low?

            Anyone that’s been healed of anything has science to thank for it. Just because rare situations come up where someone goes into remission from cancer,for example,is not evidence of supernatural intervention.
            Just because we can’t explain it doesn’t automatically mean a magical god did it.

            I look around and all I see is nature. It’s everywhere.

          • ben3

            Sure it has. Just because you are a fool doesn’t make these doctors fools. They fave the x-rays and MRI’s to prove they were sick and now healed. No science helped these people. Cancer cure and no meds or radiation used. Broken bone healed in 2 days after a severe break. Back disc healed that doctor said would bet worse not better. No could be done for that. No remission because it is gone. One day there next week gone. So if the doctors can’t explain it, they all have proof that it was completely healed, you say it didn’t happen. Bigger fool than I even thought you were. Nature that God created not from a slime pit. Show me where an ancient fawn turned into an oak tree. Show me a the fossil where a dinosaur turned into a duck. You can’t.

          • John Gallagher

            No it hasn’t and I’m no fool. Only a fool believes stories.
            ——————-
            “Just because you are a fool doesn’t make these doctors fools. They fave
            the x-rays and MRI’s to prove they were sick and now healed. No science
            helped these people. Cancer cure and no meds or radiation used.”

            Yes,this happens from time to time,as I already said. Just because we can’t presently explain it doesn’t mean a magical miracle was responsible.
            In the future,we may find an unknown enzyme that certain people possess might be responsible,meaning totally natural.
            You’re just claiming magic because of your beliefs,not reality.
            —————
            “Broken bone healed in 2 days after a severe break.”

            Never happened. Just because somebody claimed it and you read it,doesn’t mean it’s true.
            Science makes discoveries all the time that have evidence and facts that back them up,but you dismiss those like they’re not even there,but a story based on something you belief is readily accepted without question.
            ——————–
            “Back disc healed that doctor said would bet worse not better.”

            Yeah,it happens sometimes. No evidence magic was responsible.
            ——————–
            “So if the doctors can’t explain it, they all have proof that it was completely healed, you say it didn’t happen.”

            No,I’m saying your ridiculous claims never happened,like a bone being healed in two days. Gimme a break.
            Just because doctors can’t explain it doesn’t mean it was magic.

            Let me clear this up for you right now….we don’t know everything. Modern medical science is still in it’s infancy.
            We can’t explain how the universe came to be,or how life started. Modern science is still in it’s infancy.
            Just because we can’t explain something YET doesn’t automatically mean a magical being from another realm is the answer. So far no actual real answers we’ve found yet to ANYTHING point to such a being,so start with that.

            I already said people heal with no explanation,such as cancer patients going into remission,so DO NOT imply that I said anything different.
            I said it DOES happen,and was very goddamned specific about it,so stop lying and trying to twist my words.

            How many times have I asked not to do that so far? 20? 50? I lost count the number is so high.
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            “Show me where an ancient fawn turned into an oak tree. Show me a the fossil where a dinosaur turned into a duck. You can’t.”

            It doesn’t work that way,you fool.
            Every time you say something this utterly stupid just proves you literally have no idea what you’re talking about on either side.
            This is one of those instances where science has evidence and proof,but you dismiss it,but still fall for the mythological stories based on magic and mysticism,so the only real fool is you.

          • ben3

            You fool don’t know what you are talking about. Cancer just doesn’t go away on its own. Severe broken bone healed in 2 days don’t happen on their own. Bad back disc that doctors say the person will have to live with, just don’t go away. You can’t explain them because they are miracles. Every one of those doctors have no explanation, except that God healed them. Your ignorance and stupidity is amazing. You have no proof and I gave you several. You cannot back up yours and I can mine. You are the fool.

          • John Gallagher

            “You fool don’t know what you are talking about. Cancer just doesn’t go away on its own.”

            Yes I do and yeah actually,sometimes cancer just goes away. That’s what “remission” means,and nobody knows how it happens.
            —————–
            “Severe broken bone healed in 2 days don’t happen on their own.”

            No severely broken bone has ever healed in two days. What part of this aren’t you getting? You’re extremely gullible if you believe that.
            —————–
            “Bad back disc that doctors say the person will have to live with, just don’t go away.”

            See above. Sometimes we can’t explain why these very people heal,but it does not automatically mean it’s magic just because we can’t explain it yet. We don’t know everything,which is WHY science is used.
            Is there some part of that you’re still not getting?
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            “Every one of those doctors have no explanation…”

            So what? They had no explanation for the Black Plague either,but now we do.
            Guess what? It was a natural virus,not supernatural demons or a punishment from God.
            —————–
            “except that God healed them”

            No,they openly admit that they do not know why. Scientists and medical doctors don’t give explanations to things they can’t yet explain,and they certainly don’t give credit to magic and divine intervention.
            A doctor that’s a believe might say it’s ‘possible’,and that’s fine,but that same doctor would openly admit there’s evidence to back up his belief or faith. It’s something he might “believe” because he’s a believer with no current explanation.
            ———————
            “Your ignorance and stupidity is amazing.”

            Really? I’m not the one ignorant and stupid enough to think just because something isn’t explained yet,it means it’s the work or magic and mysticism.
            ——————–
            “You have no proof and I gave you several. You cannot back up yours and I can mine. You are the fool.”

            No,you made the claims and you have no proof. You haven’t backed up anything and I’m the one challenging you to back up your claims with proof.

            My simple counter claim has been “we don’t know yet”,and that’s the only response that’s truthful. Nobody has ever proved magic and supernatural intervention isreal,so you can’t say it’s responsible for anything.

            Now show me proof of this magic of which you speak so highly. Stories are not proof. Repeating those stories is not proof.

    • John Gallagher

      “….but the sciences debuted about 400 years ago.”

      A lot longer than that.;)

  • Thomas Aquinas

    Your little dinosaur as Christ does nothing but attack Christians and as such we already know where you stand.

    • Shakespeare

      You are not a victim. You can’t attack other people, spew mythology as fact and not expect the normal people to ridicule you.

      • Thomas Aquinas

        I guess I am expecting too much when it comes to civility and atheists.

        • Shakespeare

          Why is that? What have you found about my comments to be less than civil? You know, Thomas, disagreement is not inherently offensive. Pointing out your claims have no merit or basis in reality is a factual statement. It’s not my fault you’re offended by rational, factual statements.

  • Elfein Twentyfives

    religion came about when first conman came across first fool…

    since then we evolved to kill each other over ideals of religion in troves…which by all means should had meant species wide extinction…since it had not done so yet…is a miricle of statistics in itself….but i am sure given time some religious nut job will make sure it will happen…enjoy the apocalipse caused but such fool

  • John Gallagher

    Science and religion are not compatible.
    Generally,religion sticks to already established dogmatic beliefs and already has the answers. In most cases,it also claims those answers lie within the supernatural realm,with magical gods and beings in control of everything.

    Science is concerned with not having any answers and looking for them. The whole point of science is to look for those answers within the confines of the natural universe,with whatever is observed having natural explanations,with no supernatural intervention or magic required.

    So one starts with the answers and tries to fill in the blanks working backwards,while the other starts with questions,and accepts the answers,even if contrary to previous beliefs or correcting past mistakes.
    Complete opposites.

    Just because we don’t have many answers,doesn’t automatically mean a magical being from another realm was responsible.
    It just means we haven’t figured it out yet.

    I don’t know why this is still up for debate.

  • Perry Greenway

    I just absolutley LOVE all the silly HATE towards Christians.. I love it, I do. hahaha.
    The more you scream.. really.. the more you scream…